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  I-R 60-ton Demo

A new type of locomotive!
Ingersoll-Rand 1925 Demonstrator #9681
(later CNJ #1000)
(ALCo builders photo S-1484 - source uncertain;
possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)

ALCo-GE-IR SURVIVOR BOXCAB

Oil-Electric ("Diesel") Locomotives

(American Locomotive Company - General Electric - Ingersoll-Rand)

 

There are now more than fifty (50) BOXCAB pages;
see the main Boxcabs page and the Boxcabs INDEX.

note-rt.gif - this page is not finished; I wanted to put up the revised map and some more descriptions and links but have a way to go in coordinating all this!

PAGE INDEX:

SURVIVOR BOXCAB LOCATIONS MAP.

ROSTER OF SURVIVING ALCo-GE-IR BOXCABS (follows).

BOXCABS MEXICANOS
(moved to Survivor Continuation Page, 02 Oct 00).

Except for a linked key to the map, the rest of this page, although heavily linked) is unindexed; scroll away.

On the succeeding Survivor Boxcabs Continuation Page:

NOTES (by item number per listing) - specific notes about each survivor now on each separate survivor boxcab page.

The page of NOTES was split off from the Survivors Roster page and the engine listings renumbered on 10 Sep 99.

There are now separate pages for each AGEIR or similar surviving boxcab; the redundant material is being removed (very slowly).

This site has now been visited times since the counter was installed.

SURVIVOR BOXCAB LOCATION MAP   re-rev.gif (13 May 04)

If you are travelling, take a look at this map and go visit your favorite boxcab!

I'd already been to 2 and 3 (and "*"), and 6, "e", 1, 7, and 8 and, as of 16 Jun 00,
had visited "#" and am just back from seeing the last two, 5 and "+" (I have a lot to scan!).

I have photos developed and to be scanned (as of 01 Aug 00) of "#" (B-W ARMCO #B-73), 5 in Huntsville, Alabama, and (fortuitously) " +" (B-W ARMCO #B-70)
near Atlanta, Georgia!

So, I guess the next trips will be up to Schenectady, back down to Salisbury, NC, and
to St. Thomas and Milton, Ontario, and perhaps back to St. Louis!  See below!

Well, the number keeps growing but I doubt I'll get out to Butte, Harlowton, or
Deer Lodge, Montana (,u>WRONG!), or to Mexico or Central or South America or Sussex.   rev.gif (14 Aug 04)

I thought I'd redraw the map for just surviving oil-electric (diesel) boxcabs and make a second one for surviving juice-jack boxcabs but decided against that (too confusing).  Instead, I'll confuse you even more by changing the colors of the circles (and even subdividing some of them) to show
O (red) for the AGEIR (or just GEIR) units,
O (green) for the non-AGEIR oil/gas-electrics) units, and
O (blue) for electric units. 
Multi-color circles represent more than one type of unit at one location and black means no specific type.

Survivor Boxcab Locations Map
[Map by and © 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved.] Re-revised - 13 May 04)

[Revised to correct colors of Dan Patch #100 (GE) and ARMCO #B-71 (BW) 13 May 04]

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Shovelnoses are not mapped but the three3 surviving NYC S-motors ("honorary" boxcabs) are.

Numbers refer to ALCo-GE-IR roster and notes, following, but here's a quick keyed and linked summary: 




Survivor Boxcabs locations

  (Mfr. - A = ALCo-GE-IR / E = EMC/EMD,

   B = Baldwin/Westinghouse, G = GE)

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Key Mfr Location                Locomotive

--- --- --------                --------------

  Grandfather Boxcabs:

0     G  MoT, St. Louis, MO      GE #1/MfrRR #1 (no symbol)

1     G  MTM, St. Paul, MN       Dan Patch #100

4     -  no symbol - [reassigned to So. Bklyn (SBK) #4 at Branford]

  AGEIR and GEIR Boxcabs:

2     A  B&OM, Baltimore, MD     CNJ #1000

3     A  MoT, St. Louis, MO      B&O #1/195/8000

5     A  No. Ala. RRM            UC #3/11

6     A  FRRS, Portola, CA       Foley Bros. #110-1 (100-tonner!)

7     A  IRM, Union, IL          DL&W #3001/IR #91

8     A  HFM, Dearborn, MI       IR #90

  Baldwin-Westinghouse and similar:

+     B  SRM, Duluth, GA         BW ARMCO #B-70

@     B  MTM, St. Paul, MN       BW ARMCO #B-71

#     B  PaTM, Washington, PA    BW ARMCO #B-73

C(1)  -  Can. Railway Museum/musée ferroviare canadien

           in St. Constant/Delson, just south of Montréal (3 units)

           CLC {BW} CNR #77/7700

  EMC/EMD Boxcabs:

3*(a)  E  MoT, St. Louis, MO      EMC #50

  Misc. Gas/Oil-Electrics:

C(2)  - Can. Railway Museum/musée ferroviare canadien

           NCC {H&W} CP #7000

B     -  Kent and Sussex Rwy.    Ford BTH (in England).

L     G  Midland Rwy.            Lehigh Portland Cement #1.

  NYC S-motors ("honorary" boxcabs)3:

S     G  MHC/NRHS (Albany)     1904 NYC S-motor #6000 (as NYC #100)

    [Also, T-motor T-3 #278]  new.gif (02 Oct 07)

3*(b) G  MoT, St. Louis, MO      1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #113

7(a)  G  IRM, Union, IL          1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #115 (as PC #4715)

  Straight Electric Boxcabs (Box Motors, Juice Jacks):

C(3)  -  Can. Railway Museum/musée ferroviare canadien

3*(c) -  MoT, St. Louis, MO      1931 PRR Class P5 #4700 (Altoona).

A*(a) -  RRMPa, Strasburg, PA   1911 PRR DD1 #3936-3937 (Juniata).

A*(a) -  RRMPa, Strasburg, PA   1934 PRR B1 #5690 (Altoona).

e     G  LSRM, Duluth, MN Milw.  L50 #10200.

L1    G  ECRM, St. Thomas (Toronto), ONT  L&PS #L1.

L2    G  HCRR, Milton (London), ONT  L&PS #L2.

P     G  NCTM, Salisbury, NC     P&N  #5103.

T1    G  BAP, Butte, MT.

T2    G  MILW, Harlowton, MT.  rev.gif (17 Apr 04)

T3    G  MILW, Deer Lodge, MT.  rev.gif (17 Apr 04)

W     G  NRHS/IE #502 (1901 GFSR #L-451), Spokane, WA.   rev.gif (12 Jul 04)

R%    -  National Museum of Science & Technology, Rockcliffe, ON {?}

  Other Boxcabs:

M     -  Mexican and other Latin American boxcabs.


                    ["Key C" was formerly shown as "?"]
Would you believe TWO different RR Museums
with TWO different surviving boxcabs
in TWO different Duluths?

The way this is supposed to work is this;
you find what you like on the map, go to the short list above for a quick summary,
click on the link there for a more comprehensive information further down on this page,
and then click on the link there to go to the individual survivor page,
where you will find all I've got on any one survivor.

There weren't any links on some of the units; I am adding them as I go along.
You can always go to the Boxcabs INDEX until I finish.

NOTE:  Major rewrite 20-21 Aug 02, with only the roster and a linked index and listing for each North American (American and Canadian) survivor boxcab, referring to the separate pages now up for each.  For this reason, I have deleted almost all new.gif and rev.gif symbols.

All survivor data is being moved to the individual survivor pages; this is now a linked roster page, only.

The map references above, link to brief writeups below which have the specific survivor page links (or will shortly).

There are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving and four (4) B-W (or B-W-style) units, one EMC unit, plus three (3) "home-grown" Anglo-Canadian and English units and sixteen (16) electric boxcab survivors, for a total of thirty-one (31) known Can-Am and British survivors.

I did NOT include a 1989 Scots-built boxcab but I do give some coverage for it on the British Ford BTH page.

note-rt.gif - this page is not finished; I wanted to put up the revised map and some more descriptions and links but have a long way to go in coordinating all this!

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ROSTER OF SURVIVING
ALCo-GE-INGERSOLL-RAND BOXCAB
OIL-ELECTRIC (DIESEL) LOCOMOTIVES

[in no particular order (yet) but eventually to be in order built]

{listed only to keep old links active and provide new links for transfer}

0 - 1893 GE #1 / Mfrs RR #1 / Joe Cushing RR.

1 - 1913 57-ton, ~250{?}-hp MStPR&DETCo. (Dan Patch) #100 -
57-ton, ~250{?}-hp Minneapolis, St. Paul, Rochester and Dubuque Electric Traction Co. (Dan Patch Electric Lines) #100.

2 - 60-ton, 300-hp CNJ #1000 - The very first of the production oil-electrics sold!

3 - 60-ton, 300-hp B&O #1 (later #195/#8000), at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.

3*(a) - B&O #50, the first passenger boxcab (an EMC), at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.

3*(b) - "Honorary" boxcab 1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #113, at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.

3*(c) - PRR Class P5 #4700, the only surviving passenger boxcab (a 1931 Altoona product, at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.

4 (reassigned to) - 1907 South Brooklyn Railway (SBK) #4 electric box motor at the Shore Line Trolley Museum of the BERA (Branford Electric Railway Association) in East Haven, Connecticut.  A 57-ton unit road-built by the Brooklyn Heights Railway on ALCo trucks, perhaps the second oldest surviving boxcab, albeit an electric box motor, not an internal combustion unit; this was one that I had originally thought was an i.c. loco and deleted, not knowing it had survived (page 6 in Bendersky).

[There was a previous item 4., a 60-ton, 300-hp unit somewhere in the upper midwest

{per photo caption in late 1993 TRAINS or RAILFAN} which was probably
    either the DL&W #3001/IR #91 at the IRM@ or the Dan Patch engine.]

5 - 60-ton, 300-hp ex-demo/ex-Union Carbide #3/11 or EMCO #11.
[Please note that there was a previous URL with what I thought was the oxymoronic filename "boxcuc11.html";
I demoted it to a reference page to the supposedly-more-appropriate filename "boxcbuc3.html", only to find later that UC DID use the numer "11"!]

TS43 UC #11
(Photo ca. 1936 cropped from TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 43)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]
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{Uh, oh!  This is CLEARLY UC #11!  Now what?}

6 - 100-ton, 600-hp Foley Brothers Construction #110-1 -
at 108 tons, the only double-engined unit (known to be) left in the world - at the Feather River Railway Museum in Portola up in the high Sierras.

7 - 1926 60-ton, 300-hp DL&W #3001 (later I-R #91) -


DL&W #3001 at Ill. Rwy Mus.
{photo from IRM site from IRM Museum in Motion Booklet}.
[Thumbnail image; click on picture for full image.].

Here she is at work:

TS43 LW #3001 Enlarged
(Photo ca. 1936, cropped from TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 43)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]

and a blow-up of that photo:

TS43 LW #3001 Full
(Photo ca. 1936, cropped from TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 43)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]

7(a) - 1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #115 (the last one of its class) at the Illinois Railway Museum (decorated as Penn Central #4715).

[3 - this was a complete surprise to me on 22 Aug 02; I never knew there were three (3) surviving S-motors!
#6000 is in the Schenectady area and it is #115 at the IRM.]

8 - 60-ton, 300-hp I-R #90 -
at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan.

TS43 IR #90
(Photo ca. 1936 cropped from TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 43)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]
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+ - BW ARMCO #B-70 -
at the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth (Atlanta area), Georgia.

@ - BW ARMCO #B-71 -
at the Minnesota Transportation Museum in St. Paul, Minnesota.

# - BW ARMCO #B-73 -
at the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in Washington, Pennsylvania.

e - 1916 GE CM&StP (Milwaukee Road) L50 #10200 -
at the Lake Superior Railroad Museumr in Duluth, Minnesota

(with three DM&IR 2-8-8-4 Yellowstones nearby!).

[r - name and URL updated 21 Aug 02]

C - Three locomotives at le musée ferroviare Canadien (Canadian Railway Museum) in St. Constant/Delson near Montréal:

    ["Key C" was formerly shown as "?"]

C (1 of 3) - 1929 Canadian Locomotive Works {B-W} CNR #7700/77 -
a Canadian variant on the B-W "Visibility Cab".

C (2 of 3) - CP #7000 -
122-ton, 550-hp NCC {Harland & Wulff} one-off unit.

C (3 of 3) - 1914 GE Boxcab Electric GTR #6711: -
one of the original five Montréal-Deux-Montagnes (Two Mountains) line electric boxcabs; originally CNoR #601, this electric locomotive pulled the first passenger train through the Mount Royal Tunnel on 21 Oct 18 and the last regularly scheduled train at 25Kv AC in Jun 95.  Renumbered to CN #9101, then CN #101, finally GTR #6711.

L - 1938 GE 23-ton Lehigh Portland Cement #1 -

General Electric c/n 12447, Diesel-Electric, 6-1938, at the Midland Railway Historical Association in Baldwin City, Kansas.

L1/L2 - Two 1915 GE London & Port Stanley boxcab electrics in Ontario (added 08 Jun 01) -

L1 - 1915 GE Boxcab Electric L&PS #L1 -
at the

L2 - 1915 GE Boxcab Electric L&PS #L2 -
at the Halton County Radial Railway in Milton (Toronto area), Ontario, run by the Ontario Electric Railway Historical Association.

A*(a) - 1911 PRR Boxcab Electric paired Class DD1 #3936-3937 -
at the RR Musem of Pennsylvania, Strasburg.

A*(b) - 1934 PRR Boxcab Electric Class B1 #5690 -
at the RR Musem of Pennsylvania, Strasburg.

B - Ford BTH -
American-style 44-ton, 150HP, oil-electric boxcab survivor made for the Ford plant

    in Dagenham, Essex, by British Thomson-Houston Company, at the Kent and East Sussex Railway in Rolvenden, Kent, England.   rev.gif (27 Mar 04)

P - 1913 GE Boxcab Electric P&N #1503 -
(I'd no sooner finished redrawing the map and revising this page on 13 Sep 00 than I got wind of yet another surviving U.S. boxcab!  The North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer, NC, had a Piedmont & Northern electric boxcab #5103 enroute to their facility!  And I had just been down that way!)

R - % - I could have sworn I saw two electric boxcabs up at the National Museum of Science and Technology in Rockcliffe (Ottawa area), Ontario some 25-30 years ago; they may have been Deux Montagnes units and I'm checking into this further.

On my own Survivor Electric Boxcabs page 2, I find I wrote "ECRM got #L1 from the CSTM (Canada Science and Technology Museum) in 1995; HCRR got #L2 (how, when, whence?)."  Do you get the feeling I've answered my own question?  If so, I'll have to change the map yet again.

S - 1904 NYC S-motor #6000 (the very first) stored in the Albany, New York, area by the Mohawk-Hudson Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society.

[3 - this was a complete surprise to me on 22 Aug 02; I never knew there were three (3) surviving S-motors!
#6000 was in the Schenectady area and it is #115 at the IRM; #6000 was restored
as #100 and is now (Oct 2007) rotting away in a swampy area south of Albany
in the sad company of T-motor T-3 #278.]   new.gif (02 Oct 07)

T1 - a big Butte, Anaconda & Pacific electric box motor at Butte, Montana; #47, n.o.f. on display at the Anselmo mine yard (or at the Montana Museum of Mining located at Montana Tech) in Butte, along with Tractor Truck ("slug") No. T-2 of the same vintage.   rev.gif (17 Apr 04)

T2 and T3 - two big Milwaukee Road (Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Paul & Pacific) electric box motors (NOT BA&P as previously noted herein) at Harlowton and Deer Lodge, Montana (no wonder I couldn't locate them before).  The unit at Harlowton appears to be the E-57B, the last electric to drop its pans and is parked near the main highway in a mini-park in good cosmetic condition while the unit at Deer Lodge is not really a boxcab at all, but rather an "honorary one, an E-70 Little Joe (both per " Helmut Wisinger in Beautiful British Columbia", "Helmut's Milwaukee Road 'Lines West' Homepage").   new.gif (17 Apr 04)

W - Baldwin-Westinghouse 45 ton 1901 #502# [former Great Falls Smelter Railway (Anaconda) #L-451] - the Inland Empire Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society and the Inland Empire Historical Society have this loco running at the Spokane County Interstate Fair Grounds in Spokane, WA.

[# - do not confuse this straight electric boxcab with the Red River Lumber 108-ton, twin-engined, oil-electric of the same road number. {What are the odds?}]

M - Not on the map:  Three surviving big electric boxcabs in Mexico and others in Central and South America.

08 Jun 01 - My sincere apologies for the many broken links; I apparently got distracted in Feb 01 and never finished this page and now Jun 01) am having trouble figuring out just what I had in mind!  I'll get right back to this.  I see one problem right off the bat; this started out as only an ALCo-GE-IR list, then got GE DP #100, and then non-AGEIR locos and electrics!
[More representative photos will be restored to this page shortly.]
14 Aug 04 - we're getting there (but VERY slowly!)

There are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving and four (4) B-W (or B-W-style) units, one EMC unit, plus three (3) "home-grown" Anglo-Canadian and English units and thirteen (13) electric boxcab survivors, for a total of twenty-seven(27) known Can-Am and British survivors.

This has to be completely redone as more and more surviving electric boxcabs turn up!

Also, that CNR #77/7700 in Montréal is a Baldwin-Westinghouse-style Visibility Cab unit.
Their third boxcab turned out to be that 1914 GE electric.

More photos were taken and will follow (as of 10 Sep 99).

BOXCABS MEXICANOS


(moved to Survivor Continuation Page, 02 Oct 00)
Now supplemented by other Latin American and "offshore" (non-American/Canadian) survivor boxcabs.

Notes on surviving ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcabs moved to the individual survivor boxcab pages 03 Dec 00.

Other surviving gas/oil-electric/diesel boxcabs (including +, @, and *, on map, above) are noted on the Other Boxcabs continuation page.

Other surviving electric (and any other odd) boxcabs (including 4, e, and one of the three at C, on map, above) are noted on the Electric Boxcabs continuation page and Odd Boxcabs continuation page.

NOTES moved to Survivor Boxcabs Continuation Page.
(Linked URL corrected 07 Feb 00)

note-rt.gif - this page is not finished; I wanted to put up the revised map and some more descriptions and links but have a long way to go in coordinating all this!

There are now more than fifty (50) BOXCAB pages;
see the main Boxcabs page and the Boxcabs INDEX.

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